Tammy Meyers Road Rage Incident
I am sure most of you have heard about the Las Vegas road rage incident where 44-year-old mom, Tammy Meyers, was gunned down, critically injured and was taken off of life support on Valentine’s Day. It’s a tragic story.
A reader who follows my blog saw this clip of the incident a couple of days ago, and wrote me immediately asking me to review it.
There is something in here that is suggestive there is a back-story going on.
Do you hear it?
It makes me really curious to hear both sides of the story before making a judgement on who fired first, though absolutely no one deserved to die. This is a very tragic example of how emotions can lead you to make a bad decision (on both sides of this tragedy).
I will share my thoughts in the comment section in the coming days.
Per CNN:
Tammy Meyers, a 44-year-old mother of four, had been giving her 15-year-old daughter a driving lesson Thursday when she had an encounter with another driver that left her scared and upset, Lt. Ray Steiber told reporters.
When she got home, Meyers told her daughter to go into the house, wake up the girl’s brother and have him get in the car. Meyers’ son Brandon, 22, brought a registered firearm with him.
Meyers drove back out of the neighborhood to see if she could find the man, Steiber said.
“The vehicles and persons found each other,” he said. “Through the course of them finding each other, at one point Mrs. Meyers was following what we consider a suspect vehicle and then at another point they broke apart and Mrs. Meyers went home.”
Shortly after Meyers arrived at her house a second time and got out of her car, a gray or silver sedan pulled into the cul-de-sac and a volley of shots was fired.
The son returned fire, Steiber said.
(snip)
Steiber said authorities believe a bullet from the suspect’s gun killed Meyers, and not one from the son’s firearm.
The initial incident came after the suspect was speeding past Meyers as she drove her daughter home from a driving lesson. Seeing the speeding car, the daughter reached over and honked the horn.
Steiber said the man pulled in front, stopped his car and came back to the Meyers car. His words scared mother and daughter. They did not say anything to the suspect, Steiber said.
His mom didn’t “really” deserve to be shot concerns me and I havent even watched it yet….
You saw the discussion on Facebook!! Shhh…
Oh no, Sorry if I did something wrong? But no, I’m not much of a FB-er because I figure if I want the world to know what I’m doing 24×7 I’ll stick my head out the window and scream it out! LoL
You did NOTHING wrong! Forgive me. I thought you might have seen the discussion on Facebook. My bad! Great job! You nailed it!!!!!! Woohooo!
Thank You!!
Your giving stuff up early on Facebook? Are you sending out clues on Twitter n I’m missing that? Lol nah I like it here and I love your group of commenters. We are the blog posters! 🙂
There are lots of discussions on Facebook and this was brought up by one of my readers there. I often do share things brought up on Facebook here. And I do share different things on twitter every now and then — so all three places have different info, and yet some of it crosses over!
The first red flag was when son #1 said it was “really disgusting” – isn’t disgust the pre-cursor of a lot of violence – even more than anger? If he’s feeling disgust, does that increase his chances of taking action? He continues, “she didn’t really deserve it” (being shot) at about 0:50 in the video, as ChattyCathy notes – that is very odd to me, too.
A couple of quick questions – son #2 says “I hear that my mom got shot in the head.” Is there any significance to his mouth expression at that moment? It looks like a tiny partial of something, but I’m not sure. Also, I see a huge swallow immediately after that, which I usually interpret as strong emotion of some kind. Next then continues, “By a dude” – and I see an expression of disgust – “who doesn’t even care” – eyebrows all the way up. Any significance to these, or are these just random and not significant?
Excellent post, I’m looking forward to reader comments – and thanks very much to whoever shared this with Eyes!
Chills the spine!
No. At the moment she went home…and instead of going in, locking the door and calling police…she got her son to bring his gun and hunt the other man…
She no longer was a victim.
She was no more a victim, than Michael Brown when he attacked a police officer.
Bad luck. A loser in a fight.
But not a victim.
Sorry. No dice.
Las Vegas police arrest suspect in road-rage killing
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/19/vegas-road-rage-death-arrest/23691065/
Las Vegas police Thursday afternoon arrested a 19-year-old suspect in the road-rage killing of a 44-year-old mother of four last week.
Erich Milton Nowsch Jr., was taken into custody shortly before 1 p.m. after a two-hour standoff at his mother’s house, a block from where Tammy Meyers was shot in the head outside her home Feb. 12. She died on Valentine’s Day after being taken off life support .
Meyers knew the teen, whom she had frequently counseled, her husband said.
Nowsch faces charges of murder, attempted murder and discharging a firearm in a vehicle.
Police said Nowsch had been under surveillance. A Las Vegas SWAT unit surrounded his mother’s home after she contacted police. A nearby junior high school was locked down until he was in custody.
While officers tried to coax the suspect out, Meyers’ husband, Robert, became emotional as he attempted to get closer to the house. He shouted at a camera crew, “There’s the (expletive) who killed my wife. And a block away!”
He told reporters, “Are you all happy? You made my wife look like an animal. There’s the animal, a block away!”
Meyers was shot after returning from giving her 15-year-old daughter a late-night driving lesson at a nearby school parking lot.
Meyers knew Nowsch, which is how she identified the road-rage suspect, Robert Meyers told reporters later Tuesday afternoon. She gave him money and “tried to teach him how to be a man,” the Associated Press reported. KLAS-TV said Tammy Meyers “had spent countless hours consoling the teen.”
Meyers’ daughter told police that while her mother was driving her home, a man in a silver car sped up and drove alongside them, the Las Vegas Sun reported. The daughter said she then reached over and honked the horn. The driver stopped in front of them, got out, and angrily approached their vehicle.
Police said that after Meyers dropped her daughter off at home, she had her daughter wake her 22-year-old son, Brandon, who grabbed a 9mm pistol. He and his mother then went looking for the suspect.
They spotted the suspect’s vehicle and followed it before returning home, followed by the suspect. Family members said that three people were in the car, and that one fired several shots. Her son returned fire, and Meyers, who was standing in the driveway, was hit during the exchange.
What the what? Is half of that a different story? I can’t even keep up anymore. I’m gonna need someone to break down the facts.
The police may have had the family keep information back to ensure more harm wasn’t done until an arrest was made, and they would have been correct do so because a simple arrest at this guy’s house didn’t even go smooth. He is a seriously troubled teen and they would be smart to have taken precautions by limiting the information this guy got prior to being arrested. I’m not saying that this is what happened, but it is entirely plausible.
This might explain why the father blew his lid to the media saying his wife wasn’t the animal the media portrayed her–because the public didn’t know the volatile killer was and finally the world could see… He obviously knew more than he was saying and holding it in was very difficult for him.
I’ve actually just read that the family didn’t tell police they knew the shooter until February 19 which is 7 days after the shooting, and also the day of the arrest:
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/28151366/breaking-news-police-involved-in-stand-off-with-possible-road-rage-suspect
From your article: “The family of a woman killed in an apparent road rage shooting said they knew the suspect who was arrested for her death, but didn’t tell police that information until Thursday. Police also revealed at an afternoon news conference they’re looking for a second suspect in the shooting who remains at large.”
This reads so strangely that I can’t help but wonder whether it’s an accurate report, or whether it’s been misreported. It could be either one, I think.
If there were a second suspect, then that could be the one the Meyers family reported to the police (thus the police sketch of someone else), which would be the second suspect that they’re still looking for, and they might not have known that the kid they arrested was a suspect until he was arrested, at which point they’d have told police they knew the kid that they did arrest.
Except for this quote from the news conference makes that seem not right either– and this is where I think it might’ve been misreported (or possibly not).
“‘We know this boy. I couldn’t tell you this before. He knew where I lived. We knew how bad he was, but we didn’t know he was this bad. We didn’t know he had gotten to this point,’ Meyers said,”
It wouldn’t make sense for him to not tell the police they knew this kid all the way in the beginning just because he knew where they lived if they thought he was involved. That doesn’t make any kind of sense at all. I can tell you for certain that if someone killed my wife, and I knew who that person was, the very first (and possibly only) people I would tell are the police. Especially if that person knew where I lived. Why would I not lead police to them so they could prevent them doing anyone any further harm?
This is why I question whether this report is accurate or whether something got glitched and confused and misreported. And the problem is, unless we can SEE or HEAR a person say something for themselves, then a misreport like this can spread to other news agencies and get disseminated more widely, and then everyone everywhere becomes suspicious over something that’s not really suspicious, because they’ve read from multiple sources something that isn’t actually accurate.
Also, the article says that Meyers said this at the press conference, so “you” in that case I expect would be “the public, via the press” and not “police”. If this had been misinterpreted by a reporter as them not having told the police they knew this kid or that they suspected him, then it would make sense that the article misreported it at the top of the article, while it would also make sense that they didn’t tell this to the public until the kid had been arrested– that is understandable. I also wouldn’t tell the public that I believe my neighbor down the street killed my wife until that person was safely in custody and no longer a threat to me or my family.
I haven’t watched the news conference though so I’m only speaking in terms of a possible inaccuracy in reporting vs. odd behavior from her family.
Oh I’m not saying what I’ve read is the absolute truth. I’m the most suspicious person on the planet when it comes to the media. I just wanted to bring another possible aspect of this story in the discussion, a story that is, to me at least, fishy from the very beginning, whether they told police everything from day 1 or not. And people who have sth to hide lie to police all the time, so it didn’t seem so implausible to me.. But I might be wrong, and again, this report was just another information I wanted to point out, without saying or thinking that it had to be true.
Oh my my! I think that the Meyer’s family has told many untruths, and they are starting to lose track of them. Sadly Mrs. Meyer’s lost her life. So far that’s the only thing we can count as factual in this case. That’s my opinion, let’s see what our lovely Mrs. Eyes has to say! 🙂
As I watched the tape, I got the impression that the son was concealing information and being careful with his words, as though he was recounting a remixed version of the truth and trying not to mess anything up. When someone is an innocent victim, I kind of expect the emotion and shock to be more unhinged and raw, less cautious, since they have nothing to hide and they don’t understand why this has happened to them.
I’ve seen several recent news stories saying that this was not a road rage incident but a drug deal gone bad, which makes a lot more sense. Apparently the victim and Nowsch knew each other, too. Her family “mentored” Nowsch and then she apparently began buying pills from him.
This case goes against every protective feeling I have as a mother. Most mothers would be glad to get their children away from such an ugly incident. Returning with her son was putting herself and her son in danger. She knew the suspect to be hostile and mean, and she was not acting in the best interest of herself or her son. No one deserved to be killed, however, and the young man who killed this woman will pay dearly for it. It was a foolish incident that turned tragic. I just can’t imagine driving back into such an ugly and, possibly, dangerous situation. There are too many cases of road rage, these days. It is better to be safe than sorry.
That’s it exactly Karon! As a parent, where was her instinct to protect? Who really had the road rage? It’s feeling like she was the one enraged 🙁
All three males know something. The obvious “disgusting” and “didn’t really deserve it” comments; OK HOLD…, a son says “MY MOTHER DIDN’T REALLY DESERVE IT.” !!! What?!? Most people, even if their loved one “deserved it” would NEVER say that! They’d say she wasn’t always the best mother, BUT SHE DIDN’T DESERVE THIS! Also, the comment “by a dude who doesn’t even care”– How does he know? Does he know him? And even the father saying to hug your wife “right now”, “you get to do that–I don’t”. Who’s “you”? His anger seems very specific or misplaced. Where is the sister/daughter? She’s unharmed, was in the car, and never mentioned by the family. This is just my quick read late at night. I may be wrong. I’ll re-evaluate in the morning. Tired. 😉
Yea like she deserved it sorta? sheeeesh HUGE FLAG as soon as soon as I heard it!
Exactly!!
The word “really” jumped out at me. It’s a hedge and why would the son hedge is the question…
I’ve followed you since the first time I ran upon your site during the Caylee case. Theres a reason I keep coming back…I love your articles, This is the first one I caught in a flat second though & didn’t even have to watch but the first few seconds of the video and when I did finish watching it in my opinion ‘I think he’d better get ready to sign a manifesto like Jodi Arias did”
Oh I didn’t read eyes during the caylee case. Thanks for the tip! I’m looking forward to looking those up tonight!
You are most welcome my friend! But oh yeah, I almost lived here then….,LoL
So you don’t think Terry Hobbs makes a much better suspect?
JMB was my first, Then Hobbs,but I just think the entire case was a hoax now?
Entire case a hoax? I’m sorry, I’m missing something in what you are trying to say. I don’t believe the three accused did anything to those poor boys. JMHO.
Well, this is a hard one to explain, Especially when I’m the narrator…LoL
Believe me when I say I’ve done my research but the first time I got wind of this (a year ago) I swore right then and there I’d debunk this one before it got spreaded as truth? Boy was I shocked, Everything about your Government and you for that matter is a lie
i think the only case I disagreed 100% with Eyes on was the WM3, Oh Dear Lord, i’d have turned the key myself to free them, I ate & breathed WM3 & was probably their biggest supporter or close to it anyway…
Well, Turns out Eyes was dead on again and I could kick myself for supporting them, I can’t tell you 100% that that case was a cruel hoax only because I didn’t see anything with my own eyes but I’m 99% sure it was now. And the sad part is they have and will continue making a killing off their story of three little boys who were mutilated, murdered and submerged in water just to make an almighty dollar….
KIDS…SYMPATHY = FAT BILLFOLD?
Where did you read that EFL did not believe WM3? I was under the impression that EFL believed Damion Echols was telling the truth.
You are correct. As far as my memory goes, I remember believing them, too!
She did, I just crossed my wires here…..glad you called me on it though……..It’s just now i don’t believe for a second it was real at all?
We don’t know if the driving lesson is true we don’t know if mom went back to the house to get her son & gun. Why did the son & daughter give the police a composite of the shooter when they knew his name and where he lived. I have a feeling it was some kind of drug deal gone bad and mom got caught in the crossfire.
I am sorry that the husband thinks the press made his wife look like an animal. She certainly used bad judgment, but she didn’t fire a gun at anyone. We may never know, what happened when the mother and son caught up with the suspect. Her son could have flashed the gun at the young man. Whatever happened, the suspect, from the sound of things, was the only one that came to their house and fired the gun. I still maintain that most mothers would not have taken one of their children into a situation like that, but she wasn’t a monster. I am sure that her family is in a lot of grief and pain over her loss. I feel sorry for them.
a lot more details from the police report:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/21/police-report-raises-questions-whether-killing-las-vegas-mom-stemmed-from-road/
A web page with a list of 35 hedge words. Hedge words seem to indicate (as in the case of the Las Vegas situation) that the person knows more than they are saying. That can be critical to the investigation. This list of hedge words and phrases is not exhaustive, but it’s a good pointer. The rule is simple – does this person seem to know more than they are sharing? I’m going to keep this list handy:
http://english-language-skills.com/item/177-writing-skills-hedge-words.html
It’s ironic that the article clearly advises the writer not to use hedge words when naming an alleged murderer because that makes the speech less persuasive in that case!
Be careful with that list. A lot of those may not be hedge words when used…
Thanks!
“My mom didn’t REALLY deserve it.” I find the word “really” pretty strange….
News reports on this story keep changing. I don’t think we have the full story, yet.
There is some reports of another driver, now.
I think the journalists did a noteworthy job, framing the event as ‘road rage shooting’. They could easily have dug deeper with the evidence they had uncovered.
However then they wouldn’t have captured the public’s attention to the extent they did.
At least people here are reasoning through to the facts.