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Holloway Suspect Trafficking Women?

There is news circulating in the Netherlands (thanks to Louana from The Loulogue for telling me) that Peter de Vries, the famous reporter who brought us the confession of Joran van der Sloot earlier this year, has been secretly following Joran van der Sloot again.

This time, however, he found Joran in Thailand, and he is claiming that Joran is involved in trafficking Thai women back to the Netherlands:

[NIS News Bulletin, article] This Sunday (9 November), De Vries will show in his TV programme…that Van der Sloot offers women for sale in the Thai capital Bangkok for the Dutch prostitution market. On hidden camera he explains how he supplies girls for 10,000 euros each, who work for 300 dollars a month in Dutch brothels.

Joran supposedly is telling the girls they will work at dancers, but the truth is they will be sold as prostitutes.

De Telegraaf, for which De Vries is a columnist, disclosed Friday that the film that will be broadcast on Sunday shows Van der Sloot doing business in a hotel room, in the presence of two Thai prostitutes, with what he thinks is a Dutch sex industry entrepreneur who was in reality working for De Vries. The reporter, with a star reputation, said in the newspaper that the film provides evidence of preparations for human trafficking.

Maybe the Thai government will step in and take action this time and hold Joran accountable for his actions.

You can read my original opinion of Joran van der Sloot here, or you can click on a label to read all my posts on the topic.

Joran’s Confession: My Thoughts

Many people have asked me over the past week to comment on Joran’s confession. While I have many thoughts on it, I must say that since Joran spoke in Dutch, it isn’t as easy for me to make concrete comments about Joran’s words or behavior because it is essential for me to hear and understand the words Joran speaks verbatim which I am unable to do here.

Furthermore, seeing Joran’s facial expressions when each word is spoken assists me in understanding him as well, and while I can correlate the main gist of things, I don’t get the deep understanding I normally do by watching words and expressions together like I do when English is the spoken language.

But I do believe the overall message of Joran’s words are still telling. Do know that I am depending on the translated meaning, and if that translation is in any way inaccurate, I retract my thought processes below.

Read more A translation of Joran’s confession is online here. I do not know anything about its source, or the validity of it, but from what I saw on ABC’s television special about Joran’s confession, it appears to be remarkably similar so I will work from it. If you find anything more reliable, please let me know.


I do not believe that Joran’s confession is an outright lie. His claim of this makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. Here is a guy who has been thrown in jail several times, and has had his entire life turned upside down by the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. If he is innocent, he should be mad at the injustices done to him, and he should be putting up a fight to stop it by seeking the truth–not going out and joking he did it with people.

People who are wrongly accused of a crime or made a suspect only want the truth to surface. That is their main goal. They do not have the time, energy, or any remote desire to implicate themselves for the fun of it. It’s pure rubbish. It defies logic.

There are aspects of his story that I believe he may “take to the grave” with him.

Joran wants us to believe here that Natalee out-of the-blue convulsed on the beach, and he panicked, and disposed of her. This raises a serious red flag because we are missing the reason as to why.

If it were only a fear-based reaction as Joran wants us to believe, we would expect Joran to run for help, or at worst, flee the situation and leave Natalee on the beach to her own fate. Fear wouldn’t cause him to go this extra mile for no reason. The disposal of her body is very suggestive that something happened that was illegal. People don’t just dispose of someone without a reason. It’s illogical.

One can only speculate about what illegal activity may have happened, but one potential could be the use of a date rape drug. If Natalee had an illegal drug in her system such as this, the implications to Joran could be devastating, and fleeing wouldn’t do him any good. This speculative situation could cause someone to dispose of a body.

Add into the mix what Joran says…

Joran: So they know if they bring the case to court now, it’s done. Even if they find that girl dead with my sperm in her…

Joran doesn’t says he had sex with her, so why is he talking about “sperm”? It shows Joran is still contradicting himself which is a red flag. With that, we are left to add up the pieces of the puzzle to see what is plausible and what makes sense. People behave in predictable patterns. If there was a date rape drug used here, sperm, again would make sense.

Furthermore, I find it strange that Joran says he will take his friend’s name to the “grave with him”, and then he volunteers a name at another time. It’s another oddity. Joran makes such a strong statement, that is believable, and then he retracts it and gives us a name. Sometimes, when people aren’t telling the truth, they waffle like this, and tell us lies in an attempt to cover themselves.

On top of that, when Joran makes this comment, it raises my eyebrows:

J: They’ve always been good to me, and I’ve always been good to them. So yes, I know who it is, but I’m not going to tell you his name. But it isn’t my parents or anything, but someone who’s a really good friend of mine.

If it was a friend who did this for you, would your parents even enter into your mind? You wouldn’t even think to say it wasn’t them, would you? This raises my eyebrows. To my knowledge, no on has even accused the parents of any wrong doing for Joran to defend them. Why is he defending them? It makes me strongly question, if perhaps his dad was involved. Was his subconscious mind affecting his speech here? It sure makes you wonder.

Another oddity is that his friend was such an incredible person. His friend was willing to step in and be a super hero to Joran. He was willing to take the body, live or dead, and dispose of it even though he supposedly had nothing to do with the situation. His friend was willing to risk his freedom, his reputation, his life just for Joran. This is exceptionally bizarre. Most people will help a friend, but not at the expense of their own life unless there is a payoff of sorts. But at Joran’s young age, I am not sure he could provide a payoff big enough. It’s highly questionable behavior.

Joran’s friend was even concerned for Joran more than himself–telling Joran to go home.

Most friends don’t want any involvement in illegal activities forget about disposing of a body. And then for this “friend” to be willing to dispose of the body without Joran is beyond strange. Normal human behavior, if you do find a friend to help you dispose of a body, is the expectation that you, too, will assist in the disposal. But this friend seems to be abnormal again. It’s another red flag.

P: But where the fuck is she, Joran?

J: She’ll never be found. Where exactly, I don’t even know myself.

I believe Joran here. I believe he doesn’t know exactly where Natalee ended up, or how it happened in the end. Someone shielded him–we can be certain about that, but who would be motivated to do that? A friend? Family?

Add this into the mix:

J: So I went and called the guy, not with my mobile, I walked over to the pay phone. I called him, and I told him, “Well… this is what happened. Please come help me. Please don’t call the police.” He says, “No, I won’t call the police, I’m coming to you now.” And then he arrived.


But she did not look normal, you know. He said. “This is not possible. You have to go home. I say “No, I can’t ask you to take responsibility for this.” He said, “You’re going home. I’ll arrange the rest.” I went home then.

Several things about this statement are interesting. First, Joran’s details are really sketchy. He doesn’t really give any indication about what he said to the “friend” on the phone. Second, I have to wonder did Joran’s friend tell him to go home as we see in the translation? Was it that direct, like a parent telling a child what to do? I’d need a translation expert here, but this raises my eyebrows again. Friends don’t usually tell other friends what to do like this. This person was taking charge, telling him what to do. If it accurately translates, who would talk like that to Joran?

Also, was Joran’s friend thinking in legal terms? Did he believe Joran needed to go home to have an alibi, to create an implausible time line for the disposal of the body? Who would think like this?

Joran then says that he had no problems sleeping that night. This is another huge red flag for me, and I think suggestive of who may be involved.

If you shared such a serious life-altering secret with someone, and you and him are the only two people to know this secret in the world, wouldn’t you be paranoid for a while about the fact that someone might have heard something, your friend could talk, people could be on to you? Wouldn’t it keep you up at night?

But strangely, Joran wasn’t nervous. Who could give Joran such confidence in the situation that he could sleep at night?

I think the general gist of Joran’s words are painting a picture here. Do you see what I see?

No Arrest for Joran?

The Associated Press is reporting today that:

A statement issued by Aruban prosecutors said an island judge ruled the information Van der Sloot provided in the taped conversations was insufficient to reopen a judicial inquiry and also too feeble to merit another arrest and pretrial detention.

I find this unbelievable, but not surprising. I knew if we didn’t see Joran arrested before the airing of the show in the Netherlands, something was up. Are the Dutch laws this liberal? Or is there some corruption in this case that is thicker than mud? I suspect it is the later, but that is purely a guess.

I’ve watched a promo piece of a show that will air here tonight in the U.S. on ABC showing Joran’s confession. You can watch it here (and read more here).

I find what I see in the promo piece vile. When I watch it, my stomach churns, I feel like I am going to get sick, and I want to turn away.

Read more I believe Joran here in respect to what happened when he was with Natalee–that she convulsed. He is animated, and expressive which is completely different than how he acted during his interview with Chris Cuomo back in February of 2006.

The way Joran emulates Natalee’s convulsing body to show what happened to Natalee is beyond eerie. People who lie don’t have a visual frame of reference as Joran does here so hence they typically don’t do this. It’s hair-raising!

Joran smirks when he says her body will never be found. He is smug about it. He talks about Natalee like she was an object, not a human being, and he shows he is proud of getting away with it for so long. It’s bone chilling.

The fact that Joran didn’t even consider calling for help is suggestive to me (pure speculation) that he probably was involved in this to a deeper extent than he is willing to admit to. You have to wonder if he gave Natalee a date rape drug, and that drug caused her to go into convulsions. One of the side effects of Rohypnol is convulsions, heart-arrest, etc.

Joran says, “I thought I’d have sex with her … but suddenly she started to tremble,” he said (source).

This disturbs me deeply, too. He didn’t say we were kissing and hugging, we were intimate, we were involved, we were about to engage in intercourse. No. It wasn’t a “we” thing that was going on here.

It was an “I thought I’d have sex with her” which is very suggestive this was not a two-way mutual decision.

Furthermore, if it were a two-way mutual relationship, I would suspect before Natalee started to convulse, she wouldn’t have been feeling good. She wouldn’t have felt like having sex.

I feel like I am going to throw up. I find the video very disturbing, and just thinking about it all gets my heart to race. I need to get away for a few minutes.

For the Beth Twitty, and Natalee’s father Dave, I am so sorry that you have been through so much. My heart goes out to you both. May justice prevail in this case somehow, someway. Soon.

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Disclaimer: Do know that I am depending on translation here, and if the translations are not correct, my opinions may change dramatically.

My original opinion on Joran Van der Sloot, February 24, 2006.

To see more on what I think of Joran Van der Sloot, click on the label below of his name.

Joran Talks

Pauw & Witteman Show, The Netherlands

Reporter: What did you say?

Joran: Well, you’ll find out Sunday. But it’s easy to prove that it’s nonsense. This is all a lot of fuzz about nothing. And that’s a shame for Natalee’s mother, really, who came all the way to the Netherlands.

Read moreReporter: The Dutch evening news tells us you had sex with Natalee after which she lost consciousness and died. You decided to call a friend to take her body in a boat. Then, on open sea, you dumped it.

Joran: Yes, that’s what I told the guy. I told him what he wanted to hear.

Reporter: But isn’t it incredibly stupid to tell a lie like that?

Joran: It’s is so dumb. So dumb. Really dumb. The worst thing that I’ve only just met the guy who I said assisted me.

Reporter: How are you gonna prove this story is a lie?

Joran: I don’t know. Do you think it’s possible for this guy to not talk about this for 2.5 years? I think it is gonna make for really good television coming Sunday, but it’s a shame that a lot of feelings will probably be hurt as well.

Reporter: Why on earth should we believe you?

Joran: That’s a good question. No reason whatsoever.

Clearly, if Joran had good evidence to support this is a lie, wouldn’t he want to ruin de Vries big TV show on Sunday night? Wouldn’t he be all over the networks talking about his evidence? After all this is a man that Joran had great distaste for, so much so he tossed wine into the guy’s face when cameras were rolling just two weeks ago. If he could spoil his big show, why isn’t he??

He speaks in contradiction to himself when he first says “But it’s easy to prove that it’s nonsense.” A minute later when asked how he is going to prove it is a lie, he says “I don’t know”.

And if it is a hoax as Joran wants us to believe, that he simply said what everyone wanted to hear, then why would he say it was “so dumb, so dumb, really dumb”?

I hear nerves in Joran’s voice here. He is very nervous, and rightfully should be.

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My original opinion on Joran Van der Sloot, February 24, 2006.